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for joining us this evening I'm excited

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about tonight's show one of our favorite

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subjects UFOs but just before we get

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it too we appreciate that so much now

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tonight my guest is a scientist a

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professor in an author his name is dr.

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Robert Davis and we're going to be

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talking about his research which he

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reveals in his book the UFO phenomenon

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should I believe and we're going to see

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if we can get the answer to that

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see welcome dr. Davis well hi Renee

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thank you so much for inviting me on

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your excellent show on the big fan I

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appreciate it well thank you so much I

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appreciate you agreeing to calm it you

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know I know it's a little bit late for

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you much later than for me here on the

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west coast we're on opposite ends here

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so I do appreciate that I hope you've

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got your sweet drink right there so that

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you can be refreshed at every possible

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opportunity I should you now you know I

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said I mentioned you know now what's a

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what's a nice scientist like you you

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know doing it in a subject matter like

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unfortunately we don't because at the

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scientific community in general regards

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apology is a pseudoscience for a variety

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of reasons and i'm able to talk further

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about that but before i was a scientist

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many Star Trek episodes which which got

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my interest certainly and and you have

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was among other related topics so I had

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a lifelong interest in this phenomenon

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but what really sparked my interest to

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write a book was when I saw two orange

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orbs in the night sky with my wife while

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2012 they suddenly appeared and they

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instance an ionized gas or as many may

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contend represents a form of non-human

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the point is we don't have certainly a

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good understanding of this phenomenon or

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thousands if not millions of individuals

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conclude that we would not be the only

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evidence of the phenomenon but in your

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just did grenade that suggests an

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excellent overview you know as far as

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was the cat Mews astrophysicist and the

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scientific advisor he he initially was a

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the subject matter and he did he did

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phenomenon you know beyond our

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terrestrial mode of thought he actually

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reports by my hundreds of individuals

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the EP setting a shake shipped as many

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people who observe you oppose also you

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propulsion system and they appear to

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evidence from his observations but there

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evidence that get my attention which I

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regattas best evidence and that concerns

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by ground personnel and these objects

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which hover over these missiles have

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compelling in nature and there are

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heard that effect as well in the

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base that had been disabled during this

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there but you're right you know some of

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anecdotal evidence by experts like

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pilots in military well indeed and that

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to fire upon another followed him and

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the phenomenon because the object was

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air crews and radar operators so the

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in the southwest where he observed a UFO

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landing on the desert and anybody from

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of of this incident he saw it land in

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the desert again beings came out of it

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tremendous speeds it suddenly

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velocity was thousands of miles per hour

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firmly convinced based on his experience

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as an atlas pilot and of course as an

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astronaut that that incident defied

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explanation and he believes that that it

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was extraterrestrial in nature but was

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or not is up to speculation he wasn't

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the only astronaut there their incidence

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who also had Close Encounters where nua

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phone so to speak followed their ships

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issue of high strangeness who can

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discuss more about that but also the

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astronaut on the shuttle Sunday UFO

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certainly made him take notice and and

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experience he always showed the grey

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alien on the on a slide and he says

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real he was convinced that that again it

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was not of not of this earth and there

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surprisingly that we have no clear

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evidence by our astronauts that supports

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and was observed by UFOs although of

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those a lot of people say that let me

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Apollo 11 went towards the moon they

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were followed by UFOs and when they

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landed on the Buzz Aldrin and Neil

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Armstrong said that they saw an unusual

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luminous object off in the distance

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again NASA discredits that that

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contention and even yet the astronauts

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themselves say that that was not the

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case so its up for speculation certainly

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and again it like you said quite

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accurately it is somewhat anecdotal

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regarding the astronauts experiences and

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pilots experiences but when we had that

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confirmation of visual and radar

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detection that that lend some

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credibility yeah it certainly begs

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another explanation if you know if

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you're not going to it's certainly

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evidence of something and what is it if

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it's not I mean you know basically an

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unidentified flying object is just a

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flying object that has not been

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identified so I don't understand I guess

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the whole secrecy saying if there is a

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lot

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that the government and governments

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world governments know about the UFO

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subject which I don't doubt at all and

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I'm sure with all your research into

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frame of Information Act documents and

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all the other research that you've been

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doing into the subject what what is it

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that you think that would be the reason

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why they wouldn't just out with it uh

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that's an excellent question when many

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ufologists contend that the government

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and military considered the phenomenon

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to be of significant importance and and

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governments worldwide have studied this

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phenomenon extensively and they have set

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up several different types of

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organizations to try to better

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understand what regulates in governs the

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behavior of of this aerial phenomenon

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and and governments by and large I don't

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think especially our government is going

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to acknowledge that we are being visited

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by other beings of non earthly origin

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and we can only speculate that they're

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not going to divulge that information if

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they know and we don't know for sure if

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we if they do know because of fear of

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panic more or less and we could only

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speculate and if I and if I was a part

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of the government I would be hesitant to

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divulge that information to the soxs

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society as well I mean what what if they

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did the stock market would crash people

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would run to the bank to put cash and

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gold would soar individuals would react

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and calling in very bizarre ways that

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would be not surprising but our society

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would certainly react

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quite significantly initially in very

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negative ways because of which i'm not

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entirely sure but but eventually we'd go

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on our ways and and conduct business as

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usual unless of course these aliens have

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intentions that are not favorable but if

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UFOs are governed by non-human

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intelligence they seem to have a non

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non-directive mission now similar to

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Star Trek the hands-off approach they

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don't seem to want to engage with us in

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any meaningful way but but our

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government is not going to divulge

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information assuming they know but the

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documents that have been obtained via

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the Freedom of Information Act truly

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indicates that this phenomenon has been

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of significant importance going back to

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the 40s and and the memos that have been

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revealed through the Freedom of

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Information Act clearly clearly

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demonstrates that to be the case it is

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even regarded to be of you know as a

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more important choice Enda in the atom

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bomb back in the 1950s and this is these

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memos were written by generals

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high-level officials who who were

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mystified by this phenomenon and and it

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is quite likely that we and Russia among

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other countries are are very much

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engaged in doing whatever research they

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possibly can to better understand the

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phenomenon but the coin is 0 while the

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governments and military officials may

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have you know mate know that phenomenon

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exists they don't understand the who

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what and wise associated with this

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phenomenon so if they reveal this

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information to to citrus society where

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it's on CNN breaking news of the

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they're free to be confronted with Lewis

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questions by society because they don't

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have the answers as far as I'm concerned

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and if they do which I doubt but if they

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do they're certainly not going to reveal

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it to society and in some ways I don't

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blame them because of its potentially

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devastating effects on an individual and

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societal level a lot of people will will

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contradict my viewpoint but there could

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be significant negative ramifications

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despite the fact that millions worldwide

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believe we are being visited by by

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non-human intelligence so it seems as

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though you know the information could be

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released in a way that would not induce

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panic I mean you know obviously you know

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breaking news on CNN saying you know the

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aliens are coming or they're here or

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they've landed or whatever that that

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would be very panic inducing but if

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things started to come out that this is

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something that they've known about all

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along if indeed that's true and you know

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we've been operating with this presence

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all this time you know would people

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necessarily panic that much I'm not sure

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because people you know there's been a

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lot of polls roper polls-- other polls

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done and it seems like a lot of people

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believed already that they're you know

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that these UFOs do exist in that they

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are powered by some sort of intelligent

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life would it be as as big of a panic

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situation I am and on the other hand too

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I'm having a little trouble I guess

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thinking that maybe they're being that

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benevolent to us you know and that's

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that they don't have ulterior motives

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for not disclosing the information just

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like everything else it seems like

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things are rooted in you know power and

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money in the end and I can see how

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all if some of this knowledge were made

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public then they would have to answer as

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you said a lot of other questions about

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certain things like maybe fossil fuels

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and different you know do I'm just you

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know throwing things out that might come

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up but certainly they'd have to answer

431
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you know questions about why the past

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secrecy but do you really feel like

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people would react and that strongly at

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this stage of the game well the millions

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would and millions would not and it's

436
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difficult to know certainly those who

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are somewhat unbalanced shall we say may

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take it very much differently and react

439
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:16,500
in an extreme negative fashion whereas

440
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those who believe that we are being

441
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,000
visited by non-human intelligence would

442
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be more certainly accepting I think

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00:24:30,020 --> 00:24:26,440
they'd be astonished at some level but

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00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:30,030
you're not going to react in a in a

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00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:33,490
extreme manner let's say but but there's

446
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no doubt they'll be sufficient calamity

447
00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:40,600
shall we say regarding our economy

448
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initially and a lot of people will be

449
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running to their psychologists and to

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their banks for security purposes and

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and for help to do too because they'll

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be scared because they don't know the

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00:25:06,030 --> 00:25:02,620
the intention of these beings if again

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revealed by the government because they

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00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:10,060
may regard it as a hostile mission on

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their part so we don't know sure how

457
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society is going to react it really it's

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really based on what is what nanami

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intelligence if it exists reveals and

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how they behave how they respond to us

461
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and and and unless they dictate to us

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what their mission is hopefully it's

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peaceful obviously as it appears to be

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thus far then it obviously

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would be immoral more subdued and less

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paranoid about about the fact that they

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are here but the question is not whether

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the UFOs are operated by non-human

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intelligence well that is one question

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certainly unless there is some other

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type of phenomenon that behaves in a

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so-called intelligent manner as many

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people from 10 given given the way they

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maneuvered into the disguise the alien

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abduction phenomenon was also associated

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with with that phenomenon as well among

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other related ufology issues so it is it

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is very difficult to predict how society

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is going to react unless we are certain

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about their peaceful content and if you

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know they've been here for a long time

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at least four decades if not longer and

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they have not had assuming they're

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governed by beings of non earthly origin

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00:27:05,939 --> 00:26:59,649
they have not had any negative impact on

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00:27:08,909 --> 00:27:05,949
our daily operation let's say um but

487
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again the question is the who want and

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00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:13,059
whys of of the associated phenomenon if

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it is governed by non-human intelligence

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why are they here where they are from

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and what is their mission so that is the

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essence of of my book and that's where I

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am I I acknowledge the fact that UFOs

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00:27:38,369 --> 00:27:34,779
exist I don't think that is a debatable

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00:27:41,419 --> 00:27:38,379
issue at all the question is what is it

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and is it does it represent a form of

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intelligence of non earthly origin could

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be at to terrestrial from another solar

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system yes or another dimension or from

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possibly even

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00:28:01,620 --> 00:27:57,420
our future and those three theories

502
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:01,630
abound among colleges and and it is

503
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:06,430
highly debatable in nature so one thing

504
00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:10,620
we need to do however is to have a

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00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:13,540
multidisciplinary scientific

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00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:19,750
investigation which include scientists

507
00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:22,450
from a variety of different fields such

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00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:25,390
as of course physics psychology

509
00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:29,770
sociology biology among others to engage

510
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:36,280
in a formal analysis scientific endeavor

511
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:40,150
to try to better understand what this

512
00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:44,559
phenomenon is all about and a current

513
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current movement by the foundation which

514
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you may have heard the foundation for

515
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:53,250
research into extraterrestrial

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00:28:58,919 --> 00:28:56,410
encounters acronym is free is it

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00:29:01,970 --> 00:28:58,929
tempting to do just that is it is a

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fairly new foundation is a nonprofit

519
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:07,120
organization co-founded by Reagan and

520
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:10,720
esme Rodwell and Christine nose and it

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comprises a multidisciplinary team of

522
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:15,910
scientists um I'm happy to be a member

523
00:29:25,220 --> 00:29:21,510
of that foundation and it is the first

524
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:25,230
attempt of a rigorous scientific

525
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:29,530
investigation of trying to trying to

526
00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:32,950
determine if quantum physics can be

527
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,140
related to our consciousness oh and the

528
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:40,960
paranormal as a means to try to

529
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:45,340
understand its relation to non-human

530
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:48,970
intelligence and the types of unusual

531
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:52,050
encounters experienced by so many people

532
00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:55,470
who contend that they have been abducted

533
00:30:02,790 --> 00:29:59,830
by these beings and the similarity of

534
00:30:06,270 --> 00:30:02,800
their reports by the way are remarkable

535
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:06,280
and many of which have consciously for

536
00:30:10,169 --> 00:30:06,970
though

537
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,179
us incidents of those who are claimed to

538
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,600
be a duck they'd have unconscious we

539
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:16,080
call food regression hypnosis

540
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:20,409
nevertheless many you have conscious

541
00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:24,600
people have the same types of similar

542
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:27,280
descriptions of their experience as

543
00:30:34,649 --> 00:30:31,110
those who have regression analysis to

544
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:34,659
recall their their experience when that

545
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:41,260
alone is is a matter of concern and

546
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:44,350
certainly interest even if they're not

547
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:47,770
being abducted by aliens the fact that

548
00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:50,940
their reports are so similar in nature

549
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:55,390
regarding their unusual experience once

550
00:31:01,020 --> 00:30:58,480
being taken allegedly aboard a craft

551
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:01,030
being subjected to biological

552
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:05,380
experiments which are are several in

553
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:11,950
nature and and there the outcomes of

554
00:31:22,830 --> 00:31:16,870
that experience on on their psyche as

555
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:22,840
well as physiologic effects you know

556
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:27,820
that alone is an issue for psychologists

557
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:31,630
and sociologists alone to study if even

558
00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:33,730
if they're not being abducted why do

559
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:37,299
they have such similar experiences at

560
00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:41,409
least at least we called and statements

561
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:46,150
about about such experiences so you know

562
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:48,250
that that alien abduction phenomena

563
00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:50,409
which certainly is associated with the

564
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:55,299
this phenomenon may be the most tangible

565
00:32:00,750 --> 00:31:57,700
if it's happening if it's occurring

566
00:32:04,529 --> 00:32:00,760
maybe the most tangible type of evidence

567
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:04,539
that we do have because I don't I don't

568
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:08,799
see any other types of tangible evidence

569
00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:12,250
that can be scientifically analyzed

570
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:16,780
using scientific principles today at

571
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:19,360
least and in the future we might have

572
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:20,450
the necessary

573
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:23,270
even appropriate principles which can be

574
00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:25,670
applied approach in a manner which

575
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:28,100
allows us to better understand this

576
00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:29,810
phenomenon and that's why that

577
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:34,040
organization free as many quantum i

578
00:32:42,340 --> 00:32:38,750
should say we have quantum physicists

579
00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:42,350
among other scientists who contend that

580
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:44,300
there might be an extra dimensional

581
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:48,200
component to this phenomenon and and

582
00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:50,780
quantum physicists such as stephen

583
00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:54,500
hawking and dr. Greene and dr Kaku is a

584
00:33:02,680 --> 00:32:58,160
leading theoretical physicist who

585
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:02,690
believe in the multiverse theory meaning

586
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:07,720
that we have coexisting realities that

587
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:11,180
whereby beings in a sense in another

588
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:15,230
dimension can access hours and they go

589
00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:20,390
on by explaining how how how this

590
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:23,830
parallel universe in a sense of

591
00:33:31,030 --> 00:33:27,530
represents the origin of these of these

592
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:31,040
beings obviously we can access of the

593
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:33,560
dimensions maybe they can access hours

594
00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:36,290
and and the way the behavior of these

595
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:40,160
UFOs performs in terms of their

596
00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:42,410
shape-shifting behavior their appearance

597
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:47,480
and disappearance many believe that that

598
00:33:55,090 --> 00:33:50,770
kinematic unusual behavior view of those

599
00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:55,100
might well represent the door opening

600
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:57,560
and closing so to speak from another

601
00:34:01,840 --> 00:33:59,240
dimension and then it's highly

602
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:01,850
theoretical I'm not contending at all

603
00:34:07,930 --> 00:34:04,670
that that is that is the basis of this

604
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:07,940
phenomenon it is theoretical but it is

605
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:12,020
certainly something to explore and and

606
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:14,060
I'm not going to argue with Stephen

607
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:16,250
Hawking or the other leading theoretical

608
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:18,200
physicists who who believe in the

609
00:34:26,350 --> 00:34:20,900
multiverse theory or extra dimensional

610
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:26,360
hypothesis which might again explain the

611
00:34:34,329 --> 00:34:32,750
nature and origin of this phenomenon but

612
00:34:38,229 --> 00:34:34,339
I I do sir

613
00:34:41,319 --> 00:34:38,239
we believe that on the basis of existing

614
00:34:44,789 --> 00:34:41,329
evidence that something very unusual is

615
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:44,799
in our skies that defies explanation

616
00:34:49,419 --> 00:34:47,329
absolutely can I ask you to hold that

617
00:34:51,789 --> 00:34:49,429
thought right there and we'll take a

618
00:34:53,649 --> 00:34:51,799
quick break and would that be back in

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620
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678
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679
00:39:13,090 --> 00:39:22,360
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680
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:24,950
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681
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:26,730
your host Renee Barnett if you're just

682
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:29,670
joining us we're talking with dr. Robert

683
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:32,490
Davis author of the UFO phenomenon

684
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:37,110
should I believe boy should I or should

685
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:40,740
I where do we go from here you know I

686
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:42,510
was thinking about that it's funny just

687
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:46,860
to sort of change change gears just a

688
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:48,690
little bit I was thinking about the

689
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:50,610
title of your book today should I

690
00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:54,390
believe and I'm thinking well what are

691
00:39:59,720 --> 00:39:56,790
the ramifications if you do and what are

692
00:40:02,380 --> 00:39:59,730
the ramifications if you don't and I

693
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:02,390
guess that's the question you know

694
00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:05,370
should I believe and I mean belief is

695
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:10,350
such a subjective thing so it could this

696
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:15,090
be a subjective experience well but the

697
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:18,270
most part yes it is and and that is part

698
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:22,800
of the problem because we have only a

699
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:28,920
legend reports by individuals about

700
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:31,260
their experiences with UFOs and

701
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:33,870
unfortunately we don't have that hard

702
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:36,570
tangible evidence that provides

703
00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:41,130
irrefutable unequivocal evidence at

704
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:45,590
least to the scientific community to

705
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:49,650
document verify that we do have beings

706
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,410
visiting our planet scientists for the

707
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:54,540
most part 1 to apply the scientific

708
00:41:01,160 --> 00:40:57,570
method and again the scientific

709
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:01,170
principles in order to better understand

710
00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:03,570
the edge of this phenomenon the problem

711
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:06,840
however is that likely that our current

712
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:10,650
scientific principles don't apply even

713
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:14,760
if we had a so-called flying saucer in a

714
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,370
laboratory which I don't think we do

715
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:20,160
although maybe we do I I it's just

716
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,650
simply not being revealed to us at the

717
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:25,920
present time and and and if we do I

718
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,070
don't know what kind of analysis they

719
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:31,320
are doing on it but that's highly

720
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:34,930
unlikely nevertheless I do

721
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:38,460
leave on the basis of existing evidence

722
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:44,530
both anecdotal from very very good

723
00:41:50,819 --> 00:41:47,140
witnesses such as pilots and astronauts

724
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:50,829
and among other individuals from all

725
00:41:57,059 --> 00:41:53,950
walks of life that certainly something

726
00:41:59,849 --> 00:41:57,069
very unusual is an hour's guys that

727
00:42:02,940 --> 00:41:59,859
defies logical explanation that when

728
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:02,950
this mystery has potential important

729
00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:06,280
implications and and that's why it we

730
00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:08,500
need to develop that organized research

731
00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:11,619
initiative to effectively spell the

732
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:14,020
phenomenon and I say this because I do

733
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:17,380
believe UFOs exist by your apparent

734
00:42:24,059 --> 00:42:21,369
physical maneuvers that cannot be

735
00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:24,069
logically explain since they in a sense

736
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,020
defy laws of gravity and inertia now my

737
00:42:34,109 --> 00:42:31,359
point of view in terms of whether or not

738
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:34,119
I should what should not believe is not

739
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:36,520
really applied to the existence of UFOs

740
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:40,569
but again to its nature and origin the

741
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:42,970
crew white and wise assisted with the

742
00:42:48,359 --> 00:42:46,030
phenomenon as I said previously and I

743
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:48,369
don't have a clue despite the contention

744
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:54,130
by many apologies who firmly believe and

745
00:42:59,819 --> 00:42:56,410
have presented their point of views on

746
00:43:04,289 --> 00:42:59,829
TV and radio among other and other media

747
00:43:08,579 --> 00:43:04,299
forms that big they do know the answer I

748
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:08,589
have I have my doubts and I don't I

749
00:43:16,109 --> 00:43:12,130
don't buy into their their conclusions

750
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:16,119
but certainly after a methodical review

751
00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:18,760
and analysis of the evidence unlock

752
00:43:23,789 --> 00:43:20,980
convince one way or another as to

753
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:23,799
whether or not UFOs are back to

754
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:26,710
terrestrial or from another space time

755
00:43:34,109 --> 00:43:31,680
or natural and man-made phenomenon but

756
00:43:38,819 --> 00:43:34,119
certainly again it should be obvious

757
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:38,829
that people all over the world the

758
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:41,230
decades and maybe thousands of us have

759
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:43,000
certainly observed something very

760
00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:47,380
unusual and now skies and so should I

761
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:48,520
believe

762
00:43:57,930 --> 00:43:55,870
that UFOs exist especially if a pilot

763
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:57,940
reports a certain appearance and then

764
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:00,520
disappearance of a silver object that

765
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:03,910
accelerates at thousands of miles per

766
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:06,070
hour out of sight that's confirmed by

767
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:09,460
ground radar or is a UFO

768
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:11,770
extraterrestrial or X dimensional and

769
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:15,010
origin since it appears to exhibit the

770
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:17,550
application of physics and engineering

771
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:21,220
principles that are clearly beyond our

772
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:24,490
present day capabilities but such

773
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:26,770
evidence does not provide that

774
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:30,010
irrefutable proof that alien beings are

775
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,830
visiting her just because it in the

776
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:35,440
sense it divides logical explanation

777
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:38,410
like the pyramids how the pyramids were

778
00:44:48,660 --> 00:44:42,010
built introducing that so-called space

779
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:48,670
alien card is is justification as

780
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:51,160
justification i should say is quite a

781
00:44:57,540 --> 00:44:54,820
bold leap without additional supporting

782
00:45:00,350 --> 00:44:57,550
evidence but admittedly i can't

783
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:00,360
conclusively conclusively have

784
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:02,950
conclusively rule out the possibility

785
00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:07,020
that some unexplained UFOs may be

786
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:09,790
physical craft from another solar system

787
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:15,550
for dimension I simply do not know and I

788
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,330
I doubt anybody knows for sure despite

789
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:22,380
the firm contention by many leading

790
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:25,180
ufologists from playing again that they

791
00:45:33,330 --> 00:45:27,430
do when I think I take great exception

792
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:33,340
to that so uh it's always a little

793
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:36,970
suspect when someone does seem to have

794
00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:41,320
all the answers you know it's a it's a

795
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:44,470
little bit suspicious because if they do

796
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:48,520
then you know prove it prove it you know

797
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:52,180
to everyone but that hasn't really been

798
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:56,380
done yet while I do agree there's a huge

799
00:46:02,299 --> 00:46:00,400
huge huge pile of evidence you know that

800
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:02,309
obviously there's something going on

801
00:46:10,959 --> 00:46:05,729
but but the question is I guess not

802
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:10,969
should I believe but you know what is it

803
00:46:16,699 --> 00:46:14,249
what what you know because it could be

804
00:46:19,429 --> 00:46:16,709
as you said it could be nuts and bolts

805
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:19,439
UFOs it could be you know machinery

806
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:21,930
that's actually flying and you know some

807
00:46:27,319 --> 00:46:24,089
other advanced civilizations have

808
00:46:29,779 --> 00:46:27,329
figured out how to bend time and space

809
00:46:31,459 --> 00:46:29,789
or manipulate time and space in some way

810
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,469
that would have had to have been the

811
00:46:36,229 --> 00:46:33,660
case otherwise they wouldn't be able to

812
00:46:38,209 --> 00:46:36,239
make it here unless of course they live

813
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,219
you know hundreds of thousands of years

814
00:46:46,839 --> 00:46:40,920
or something like that but couldn't it

815
00:46:51,799 --> 00:46:46,849
also be partially something to do with

816
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,809
the unconscious or unconscious and also

817
00:46:59,359 --> 00:46:54,079
it could be something interdimensional

818
00:47:01,579 --> 00:46:59,369
it maybe not all just one thing is do

819
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:01,589
you agree with that uh you know you're

820
00:47:08,749 --> 00:47:05,599
raising a very very good point for DNA

821
00:47:13,009 --> 00:47:08,759
it's an excellent question and that is

822
00:47:16,779 --> 00:47:13,019
the subject of controversy but that is

823
00:47:22,099 --> 00:47:16,789
also a subject that that many scientists

824
00:47:25,819 --> 00:47:22,109
are are considering as a possibility and

825
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:25,829
that's what why we bring up the quantum

826
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:29,160
physics which again while theoretical in

827
00:47:38,989 --> 00:47:34,920
nature has the potential to to to allow

828
00:47:43,429 --> 00:47:38,999
us to better understand how science and

829
00:47:49,029 --> 00:47:43,439
our consciousness might interact in some

830
00:47:52,459 --> 00:47:49,039
unusual way but the relationship between

831
00:47:57,769 --> 00:47:52,469
science and our consciousness and and

832
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:57,779
the extra dimensional aspect may may

833
00:48:04,669 --> 00:48:00,900
very well provide the basis for better

834
00:48:08,859 --> 00:48:04,679
understanding this phenomenon because

835
00:48:11,689 --> 00:48:08,869
this phenomenon does tend to have a

836
00:48:14,509 --> 00:48:11,699
significant impact on those who have

837
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:14,519
close encounters with it there's no

838
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:16,010
question that there's

839
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:19,230
Associated high strangeness rid this

840
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:23,460
phenomenon they people contend that they

841
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:26,610
have psychic communication with beings

842
00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:30,090
on on these crafts they have the report

843
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:35,100
missing time even when they see them a

844
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:40,890
thousand feet or less away they contend

845
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:45,240
that they they have missing time and

846
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:47,850
they reported to be in a different place

847
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:51,540
once they once they're missing time you

848
00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:57,000
know it dissipates the fact that that so

849
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:00,690
many have avoided unusual experiences in

850
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:03,810
the form of levitation moving through

851
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:07,200
walls into other crafts when they are

852
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:10,130
abducted again the telepathic

853
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:13,940
communication and other associated

854
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:16,980
so-called high strangeness with this

855
00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:19,619
phenomenon leads many to suspect that

856
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:22,470
there is a psychic component to it and

857
00:49:29,570 --> 00:49:26,670
and people like J Allen Hynek who

858
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:29,580
investigating this phenomenon for many

859
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,750
years along with John Mack a leading

860
00:49:39,099 --> 00:49:36,030
psychiatrists my Harvard University

861
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:39,109
among other scientists and researchers

862
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:42,140
contend that it's not just a physical

863
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:46,800
phenomenon there is also that mental or

864
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:50,190
psychic or conscious conscious component

865
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:53,940
to it because of its unusual effects on

866
00:49:59,830 --> 00:49:57,440
individuals not only physiologically but

867
00:50:03,590 --> 00:49:59,840
psychologically as well in ways that

868
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:03,600
that is hard very hard to understand and

869
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,300
interpret but the evidence is really not

870
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:11,220
convincing enough at least to the

871
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:14,880
skeptics who tend to support the

872
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:18,150
viewpoint that UFOs are intelligent and

873
00:50:23,660 --> 00:50:21,510
controlled by physical craft of

874
00:50:26,660 --> 00:50:23,670
extraterrestrial or a two-dimensional

875
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:26,670
origin but but many ufologists believe

876
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:28,320
that there's more

877
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:30,120
enough compelling evidence that

878
00:50:35,660 --> 00:50:33,270
indicates that non-human intelligent

879
00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:35,670
games of operating these UFOs and

880
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:39,120
interacting with use and this this

881
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:42,630
perspective by those who believed in

882
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:45,810
this phenomenon is based primarily on

883
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:48,270
and gaining their extraordinary our

884
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:51,770
aerial maneuvers that defied gravity

885
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:56,450
inertia the varying sizes and shapes

886
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:00,210
classified documents among among other

887
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,330
pieces of evidence that that tend to

888
00:51:08,590 --> 00:51:05,700
formulate in the minds of the believers

889
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:08,600
not the skeptics that week that these

890
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:13,140
UFOs are under some intelligent type of

891
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:16,710
control but getting back to your

892
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:20,040
specific point it may very well be that

893
00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:24,300
conscious connection and that's what the

894
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:26,900
foundation as I mentioned earlier

895
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:30,240
foundation for research into effective

896
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:33,960
terrestrial encounters experiences known

897
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:38,010
as free is attempting to explore because

898
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:41,130
of the strangeness associated with this

899
00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:44,280
phenomenon there are there are so many

900
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:46,940
incidents that the five article

901
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:49,890
explanation that I can share share with

902
00:51:55,850 --> 00:51:53,130
you in the audience you know if you wish

903
00:51:58,940 --> 00:51:55,860
I would love to before you do that now

904
00:52:03,800 --> 00:51:58,950
is there a website for free for this

905
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:03,810
organization yes it's a experiencer dot

906
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:08,460
CEO not calm but dot CEO experience not

907
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:12,120
you know okay great and then now do you

908
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:14,520
take in information through your website

909
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:17,850
or are you looking for information how

910
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:22,010
is it that you are gathering your data

911
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:26,460
well the data is largely survey in

912
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:31,380
nature and and those who have a feel

913
00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:35,450
that they have had an unusual encounter

914
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,620
for an experienced such as an abduction

915
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:42,180
can take this survey

916
00:52:48,970 --> 00:52:46,560
which is on that website and there are

917
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:48,980
going to be three phases to this

918
00:52:56,590 --> 00:52:52,410
research we now completing phase one

919
00:52:59,240 --> 00:52:56,600
with starting things too and if I may

920
00:53:02,180 --> 00:52:59,250
provide you and your audience with just

921
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:02,190
just a few results preliminary results

922
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,850
from from these surveys I hope I'm not

923
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:07,680
going to bore you too much but here's a

924
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:12,000
question answered by approximately 700

925
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:14,840
individuals one question that we obtain

926
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:18,510
results from thus far to this question

927
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:21,000
do you believe you have observed a

928
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:25,040
non-human intelligent entity out of the

929
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:27,690
715 who answered to that question

930
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:31,470
fifty-seven percent said yes next

931
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:33,630
question can you describe what group of

932
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:37,200
UT's have you observed and then response

933
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,290
to this we get a a wide range of

934
00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:43,040
different types of individuals from

935
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:46,680
traditional short phrase of three to

936
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:49,890
four feet four feet tall the tall grass

937
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:52,440
and five to nine feet your hybrids your

938
00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:56,370
insecticides or reptilians energy beings

939
00:54:02,570 --> 00:53:59,190
even at various types of animals have

940
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:02,580
been reported another question besides

941
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,130
seeing this non-human intelligent entity

942
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:08,240
have you interacted in any way with this

943
00:54:19,850 --> 00:54:14,000
entity seventy-four percent said yes so

944
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:19,860
you know again if this is true that's

945
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:24,090
that might provide some very informative

946
00:54:29,330 --> 00:54:26,820
useful information to help support the

947
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:29,340
fact that individuals are being abducted

948
00:54:36,260 --> 00:54:33,660
by aliens and if they are not why are

949
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:36,270
they reporting this it doesn't

950
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,090
conclusively demonstrate that we have

951
00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:41,940
your refutable evidence that people are

952
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:44,270
having such close encounters with

953
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,940
non-human intelligence but it is

954
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:50,400
something that certainly gets our

955
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:55,230
attention and begs again for a serious

956
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:55,980
scientific

957
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:00,540
endeavor which the foundation free is

958
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:05,280
attempting to undertake using using a

959
00:55:10,460 --> 00:55:08,430
range of scientists and quantum physics

960
00:55:12,849 --> 00:55:10,470
as I mentioned earlier to better

961
00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:12,859
understand if there is some type of

962
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:17,030
conscious component to this experience

963
00:55:24,830 --> 00:55:22,200
so now this is 700 people were though

964
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:24,840
was that sort of a random selection of

965
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:27,050
people or were those people who already

966
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:30,810
were interested in the UFO subject yeah

967
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:33,930
these were individuals who reported to

968
00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:37,590
have had encounters with alien beings

969
00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:40,859
they have they have reported to

970
00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:47,580
allegedly been abducted by UFOs so yeah

971
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,790
I would like it ask your audience that

972
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:52,980
you have anyone believes that they had

973
00:56:00,050 --> 00:55:56,760
this type of close encounter to go on

974
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:00,060
the website experience of dot CEO and

975
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:03,210
take their survey which they've been

976
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:05,820
find on the left side of their website

977
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:09,660
and today we have over over a thousand

978
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:12,660
individuals who have taken the survey

979
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:17,010
and we are now going into Phase two of

980
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:19,830
the survey which consists of additional

981
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:22,470
questions more qualitative in nature so

982
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:25,260
that they can provide more descriptive

983
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:28,260
types of information about their

984
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:30,900
experience which eventually will be

985
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:34,850
analyzed and and hopefully written up

986
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:39,920
and and published in a refereed journal

987
00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:43,950
hopefully hopefully we can get more of

988
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:46,350
the scientific community interested and

989
00:56:54,859 --> 00:56:50,160
involved because too few scientists in

990
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:54,869
general are engaged in this topic which

991
00:57:01,760 --> 00:56:58,530
is very unfortunate because most

992
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:01,770
scientists are reluctant to admit to

993
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,510
their colleagues that they are

994
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:05,700
interested in this topic for one thing

995
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:07,970
for fear of ridicule

996
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:10,630
they don't want to do research as well

997
00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:14,030
because look how much have we learned

998
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:16,940
over the past few decades about UFOs I

999
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:21,680
could I congratulate roof on and many

1000
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:24,710
other organizations who have attempted

1001
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:27,290
to better on the stand is phenomenon

1002
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:32,650
until their work among among researches

1003
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:37,970
private researchers in this field to

1004
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:39,710
that effort we have learned a great deal

1005
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:43,490
about the behavior of the UFOs in terms

1006
00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:47,930
of velocity and size and shape etc but

1007
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:50,150
again we still don't know the who want

1008
00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:54,530
and wise so we don't enjoy skimming on

1009
00:58:00,010 --> 00:57:57,109
on the surface about what this

1010
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:00,020
phenomenon is really all about but since

1011
00:58:06,310 --> 00:58:03,220
we have not made any significant

1012
00:58:09,580 --> 00:58:06,320
progress in understanding this

1013
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:09,590
phenomenon of the best vast majority of

1014
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:11,840
the scientific community doesn't want to

1015
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:14,390
do research in this area because they

1016
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:15,830
don't feel that they're going to have

1017
00:58:21,550 --> 00:58:18,380
any significant outcomes worthy of

1018
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:21,560
publication which is needed to that

1019
00:58:30,370 --> 00:58:27,080
maintained for gain Kenya so they may

1020
00:58:33,609 --> 00:58:30,380
feel it's a unworthy endeavor and a

1021
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:33,619
waste of time well you know and they

1022
00:58:38,859 --> 00:58:35,710
fear you know as you said ridicule and

1023
00:58:42,490 --> 00:58:38,869
loss of credibility somehow as you know

1024
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:42,500
as you know dr. John Mack he had the

1025
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:44,300
fight of his life he had a fight for his

1026
00:58:51,609 --> 00:58:48,650
tenure because of his involvement in in

1027
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,619
the UFO subject but if you could hang on

1028
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,359
right there dr. Davis we're going to

1029
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1090
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with dr. Robert Davis author of the UFO

1091
01:03:15,450 --> 01:03:13,120
phenomenon should I believe now I

1092
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,460
knowing your book dr. Davis you got into

1093
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a lot of cases regarding high

1094
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:22,330
strangeness that have to do surrounding

1095
01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:26,290
this at UFO subject would you share with

1096
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us some of your research into that area

1097
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:31,960
and maybe some specific cases oh sure

1098
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I'd be happy to high strangeness de

1099
01:03:44,550 --> 01:03:40,720
terminar la coined you know getting back

1100
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:44,560
though initially to J Allen Hynek and

1101
01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:49,090
John Mack they initially contended again

1102
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:51,220
that there's a physical as well as a

1103
01:03:58,050 --> 01:03:54,940
psychic component to this phenomenon and

1104
01:04:01,170 --> 01:03:58,060
not surprisingly the apparent

1105
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:01,180
strangeness of the phenomenon is going

1106
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:03,250
to be met with a great deal of

1107
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:07,060
skepticism but there are numerous

1108
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:10,240
incidents that are very unusual to

1109
01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:19,450
explain and you know 11 is a is involves

1110
01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:22,900
a shape-shifting UFO that was seeing

1111
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:29,140
over and gnash horse face mouse demand

1112
01:04:38,340 --> 01:04:33,910
for space that here again deactivated

1113
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:38,350
and then reactivated the nuclear

1114
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:42,310
missiles now if it was strange in the

1115
01:04:47,780 --> 01:04:44,800
sense that it had that type of effect on

1116
01:04:52,020 --> 01:04:47,790
on missiles which will need to be

1117
01:04:55,590 --> 01:04:52,030
impossible to achieve but another

1118
01:04:58,020 --> 01:04:55,600
bizarre space incident was in nineteen

1119
01:05:01,550 --> 01:04:58,030
eighty-four through cosmonauts of

1120
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:01,560
respect the space station recorded

1121
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:04,930
believe it or not three angels with

1122
01:05:11,010 --> 01:05:07,830
wings and halos outside their window

1123
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,020
which paralleled their raft for a long

1124
01:05:15,860 --> 01:05:12,880
period of time when they

1125
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:15,870
reported that observation to the ground

1126
01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:19,000
they thought that there was either a

1127
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:21,460
lack of oxygen or space sickness which

1128
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:26,160
caused them to visualize that unusual

1129
01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:31,270
encounter but however when three other

1130
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:37,960
cosmonauts docked with that with the saw

1131
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:45,390
use of chip they too saw the same thing

1132
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:48,700
now talk about high strangeness I don't

1133
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:50,830
know how you explain that that was

1134
01:05:59,310 --> 01:05:54,010
documented and reported by the Russian

1135
01:06:02,640 --> 01:05:59,320
government hell and if it was a lack of

1136
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:02,650
oxygen you know wouldn't they maybe have

1137
01:06:08,750 --> 01:06:06,730
seen different things yes you would you

1138
01:06:12,990 --> 01:06:08,760
would expect that to be the case but

1139
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:13,000
those move newly green cosmonauts who

1140
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:15,730
joined them they saw it on the first day

1141
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:19,570
so again why would an oxy oh that lack

1142
01:06:24,690 --> 01:06:22,540
of oxygen was that kind of sighting no

1143
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:24,700
people experiencing not to own time and

1144
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:27,070
never have that type of of the

1145
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:30,420
experience so wait when did that happen

1146
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:34,570
remember this is 1984 well I don't I

1147
01:06:40,590 --> 01:06:36,850
don't recall they were hearing that that

1148
01:06:43,830 --> 01:06:40,600
is amazing okay good also numerous other

1149
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:43,840
incidents of by individuals allegedly

1150
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:48,130
who report that they see the craft land

1151
01:06:56,370 --> 01:06:52,630
they see beings flowed out of it walking

1152
01:06:59,610 --> 01:06:56,380
above the land they point some type of

1153
01:07:04,250 --> 01:06:59,620
device at them causing them to become

1154
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:04,260
paralyzed and then they say that they

1155
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:06,790
approached them and they grabbed at

1156
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:08,800
their legs to pull them into this ship

1157
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:11,470
you get those kinds of incidents here

1158
01:07:18,210 --> 01:07:14,260
again it's allegedly reported by

1159
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:18,220
individuals so it's hard to know how

1160
01:07:26,730 --> 01:07:23,890
factual that is but one interesting one

1161
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:26,740
interesting issue regarding high strange

1162
01:07:31,050 --> 01:07:28,990
this is the UFO ranch also known as a

1163
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,060
skinwalker ranch tonight I'm sure you've

1164
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:34,000
heard of that well I absolutely don't

1165
01:07:39,690 --> 01:07:36,910
know research into that myself oh really

1166
01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:39,700
you know then you certainly aware no dr.

1167
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:42,670
Salas carry both the book think it's

1168
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:48,490
called Utah UFO display yes right this

1169
01:07:56,810 --> 01:07:54,400
is a this is a an area in Utah that

1170
01:07:59,820 --> 01:07:56,820
bothers an Indian Reservation where

1171
01:08:01,950 --> 01:07:59,830
there have been long-standing strange

1172
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:01,960
events reported by hundreds of people

1173
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:05,170
over the over many decades where people

1174
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:09,570
seek older guys events even bigfoot-like

1175
01:08:20,579 --> 01:08:17,230
creatures Forbes Bryant was exactly mute

1176
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:20,589
mutilated cattle large animals with

1177
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:25,839
yellow eyes etc etc but what's

1178
01:08:37,499 --> 01:08:30,750
interesting here is that the scientific

1179
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:37,509
investigation occurred whereby they

1180
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:41,020
concluded that it isn't as simple as

1181
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:43,630
saying that extraterrestrials and are

1182
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:46,450
doing this since they gave felt and it

1183
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:48,430
goes back to your point in some kind of

1184
01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:50,830
consciousness it's always something new

1185
01:08:58,380 --> 01:08:53,950
and different something that they said

1186
01:09:00,329 --> 01:08:58,390
was non-repeatable they try to employ

1187
01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:00,339
the scientific method to try to

1188
01:09:06,329 --> 01:09:03,400
understand the nature of this type of

1189
01:09:09,210 --> 01:09:06,339
strangeness but they admit that science

1190
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:09,220
doesn't seem to be amenable to the

1191
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:13,799
solution of these types of of strange

1192
01:09:21,150 --> 01:09:18,580
experiences so there's over 400 or so

1193
01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:21,160
different kinds of incidents that

1194
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:25,150
occurred at this ranch but the question

1195
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:30,310
is why is this ranch so unique why do

1196
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:32,890
people have these kind of experiences

1197
01:09:38,849 --> 01:09:36,250
here is this the only place yeah I don't

1198
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,859
think so but I don't know of any other

1199
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:40,480
place although

1200
01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:43,540
a Hazeltine not to get where it is so

1201
01:09:50,519 --> 01:09:46,060
there was also once other similar fights

1202
01:09:53,999 --> 01:09:50,529
were there have been also unusual issues

1203
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,009
concerning the strange like behavior no

1204
01:10:01,380 --> 01:09:56,400
I think you know the San Luis Valley and

1205
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:01,390
Colorado you know has a lot of activity

1206
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:04,000
like that and a lot of people report

1207
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:08,560
strangeness but certainly I I haven't

1208
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:12,010
heard of a place that seems to have had

1209
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:15,489
quite the level of activity as the you

1210
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:17,820
know the so-called skinwalker ranch

1211
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,480
because okay I had I had the good

1212
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:25,600
fortune to interview or to be able to

1213
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,060
speak with the Sherman's who were the

1214
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:31,440
owners of the ranch back in the 90s

1215
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:34,450
before the ranch was bought by Robert

1216
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:39,760
Bigelow and you know spoke with them on

1217
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:42,250
the phone both the husband and the wife

1218
01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:45,940
and they were not seeking any kind of

1219
01:10:51,390 --> 01:10:48,790
attention whatsoever and what had

1220
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:51,400
happened was there was a story written

1221
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:58,030
in the deseret news and you know talking

1222
01:11:05,790 --> 01:11:03,040
about the ranch and it was a through

1223
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,800
that article and that reporter that the

1224
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:07,600
connection was made between the

1225
01:11:11,190 --> 01:11:09,250
Sherman's and Robert Bigelow who

1226
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:11,200
purchased the ranch but when I spoke

1227
01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:14,290
with the Sherman's I remember they were

1228
01:11:20,729 --> 01:11:16,540
really concerned about their their kids

1229
01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:20,739
that were scared to death and they just

1230
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:22,360
wanted to get out of there and I think

1231
01:11:30,030 --> 01:11:27,250
they really sold the property you know

1232
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,040
to the first bidder who who happened to

1233
01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:32,400
be Robert Bigelow and then of course the

1234
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:35,020
National Institute of discovery sciences

1235
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:39,760
group moved in and i know that they did

1236
01:11:46,620 --> 01:11:42,100
publish that book the skinwalker ranch

1237
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:46,630
kong kelleher and George Knapp wrote the

1238
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:48,489
book but I don't believe they've

1239
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,719
released everything that they that they

1240
01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:54,400
had found and that was one thing I

1241
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:55,420
wanted to ask you about your

1242
01:12:00,600 --> 01:11:57,250
organization that you're going to be

1243
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:00,610
doing all this research is that research

1244
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:02,730
going to be shared with the public Oh

1245
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:06,310
indeed once all the information is

1246
01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:09,880
obtained after phase three is completed

1247
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,300
because individuals who respond to this

1248
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:16,239
area are going to then be interviewed at

1249
01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:20,800
length and all of that information which

1250
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:24,520
is substantial in nature will form the

1251
01:12:34,169 --> 01:12:29,050
necessary foundation to be analyzed and

1252
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:34,179
and hopefully written up so that it can

1253
01:12:39,149 --> 01:12:36,790
be published so and and thus you can

1254
01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:39,159
properly inform the scientific community

1255
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:42,460
as well as the public certainly of the

1256
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:45,010
nature of the phenomenon not that it

1257
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:47,110
will provide the specific answers as to

1258
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,409
what and wise but it will provide some

1259
01:12:55,979 --> 01:12:52,719
additional insight that we may not have

1260
01:12:59,130 --> 01:12:55,989
at the present time because you watch

1261
01:13:03,149 --> 01:12:59,140
these shows on TV ancient aliens and

1262
01:13:05,310 --> 01:13:03,159
alien UFO hunters whatever the names of

1263
01:13:08,130 --> 01:13:05,320
them are and they're always debating

1264
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:08,140
about was it a UFO they analyze specific

1265
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:12,159
cases yeah you know it's entertaining at

1266
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:14,650
some level but you know who cares if

1267
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:18,570
it's UFO or not we know that UFOs exist

1268
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:21,570
it doesn't get to the basic question

1269
01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:25,330
what what is it and here I hate to be

1270
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:27,640
redundant but we don't know that we want

1271
01:13:35,250 --> 01:13:31,050
wise and these shows which are popular

1272
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,260
included in nature don't don't go in

1273
01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:38,080
that direction but they do have a large

1274
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:40,150
audience a lot of people certainly are

1275
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:43,890
very interested in it but nevertheless

1276
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:46,510
yes you know quite a bit about the

1277
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:48,550
skinwalker ranch and it is certainly a

1278
01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:51,010
topic of great interest but

1279
01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:53,080
unfortunately we don't have any firm

1280
01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:56,500
conclusions about about what is going on

1281
01:14:03,600 --> 01:13:59,260
other than it is highly strange in

1282
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:03,610
nature so you know what one other type

1283
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:06,690
of related issue this is the disclosure

1284
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:08,380
project

1285
01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:11,500
Steven Greer and Steven Bassett and and

1286
01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:15,070
through their efforts which I commend

1287
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:17,620
although it's not gone to in my mind

1288
01:14:24,209 --> 01:14:21,370
compelled the government to release any

1289
01:14:27,689 --> 01:14:24,219
information of what they know if they

1290
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:27,699
know anything at all but testimony

1291
01:14:33,209 --> 01:14:30,120
nevertheless by those who have had

1292
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:33,219
experiences with UFOs are very

1293
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:36,330
interesting it is very informative

1294
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:39,610
anybody can go on on youtube and listen

1295
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:42,670
to the testimony provided by friday

1296
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:45,370
disclosure project it's revealing in

1297
01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:47,710
many ways but doesn't answer the basic

1298
01:14:54,030 --> 01:14:49,750
questions regarding through going the

1299
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:54,040
phenomenon but to the XO political

1300
01:14:59,970 --> 01:14:57,370
movement which kind of segues into the

1301
01:15:04,110 --> 01:14:59,980
freedom of information and one of the

1302
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:04,120
one of the significant documents or

1303
01:15:09,570 --> 01:15:07,360
memos that that was revealed that that

1304
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:09,580
most apologist regard is the most

1305
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:12,130
compelling evidence to support the

1306
01:15:17,070 --> 01:15:14,530
belief that the government has covered

1307
01:15:20,189 --> 01:15:17,080
up their knowledge of UFOs was that

1308
01:15:22,410 --> 01:15:20,199
provided by a radio engineer william

1309
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:22,420
smith of the canadian department of

1310
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:25,239
transportation and he said he had

1311
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:27,250
discussions with US officials who were

1312
01:15:33,149 --> 01:15:30,489
working on flying saucers and he said

1313
01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:33,159
it's in the sense is the most highly

1314
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:36,040
classified subjects in the United States

1315
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:38,290
government rating higher than even need

1316
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:43,449
the hydrogen bomb and he was told by US

1317
01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:47,880
officials that flying saucers exist and

1318
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:51,340
that the matter is considered by our

1319
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:53,080
government to be able to mend this

1320
01:15:59,340 --> 01:15:56,100
significance now here again this is a

1321
01:16:02,750 --> 01:15:59,350
testimony from one individual who may or

1322
01:16:05,790 --> 01:16:02,760
may not be accurate in his his

1323
01:16:10,979 --> 01:16:05,800
statements but nevertheless it was

1324
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:10,989
verified and it is propelling now here

1325
01:16:17,970 --> 01:16:13,770
again that does not surprise me at all

1326
01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:17,980
I'm sure the government knows about the

1327
01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:20,380
phenomenon what they're doing about it

1328
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:25,740
who knows but nevertheless and the

1329
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:28,630
related conspiracy here is also

1330
01:16:35,610 --> 01:16:32,110
something that that is is related to

1331
01:16:39,450 --> 01:16:35,620
this issue as well because is there

1332
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,460
cover up by the government and there's

1333
01:16:46,140 --> 01:16:41,940
not a lot of evidence to support that

1334
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:46,150
but there is some well based on your

1335
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:48,940
research into the Freedom of Information

1336
01:16:57,690 --> 01:16:53,830
Act documents that were you know fairly

1337
01:17:00,720 --> 01:16:57,700
recently released at least up until that

1338
01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:00,730
time they certainly were holding on to

1339
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:03,790
that information whatever whatever that

1340
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:05,890
turned out to be which I think there was

1341
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:11,950
quite a bit am i right oh yes geez yes

1342
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:15,880
NT so I mean the fact that that has now

1343
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,480
been released sort of makes it aa priori

1344
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,040
that you know they were holding it

1345
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:23,280
before so they were covering it up

1346
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:27,490
exactly so what else is there or is

1347
01:17:32,910 --> 01:17:31,030
there something else I'm sure there must

1348
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:32,920
be I can't believe we have everything

1349
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:35,610
but what was the most compelling

1350
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:39,010
evidence that you found it just within

1351
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:42,640
the FOIA documentation uh I would say

1352
01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:50,050
the issue regarding the UFOs over the US

1353
01:17:55,740 --> 01:17:53,830
and Russian Air Force bases the 1966

1354
01:17:58,620 --> 01:17:55,750
incident at the mouse from Air Force

1355
01:18:01,800 --> 01:17:58,630
Base was considered one of the most

1356
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:01,810
significant UFO events since they were

1357
01:18:09,660 --> 01:18:06,130
cited by security personnel any and

1358
01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:09,670
again they were confirmed by the US Air

1359
01:18:15,210 --> 01:18:12,550
Force to have shut down nuclear missiles

1360
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:15,220
within seconds of each other with no

1361
01:18:22,110 --> 01:18:19,150
known cause they reported her glowing

1362
01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:22,120
orange disc-shaped objects and size of a

1363
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:24,460
football field it illuminated the

1364
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:27,370
missile site it was confirmed by radar

1365
01:18:33,810 --> 01:18:30,610
its approach by interceptors and they

1366
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:33,820
eventually disappeared

1367
01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:37,990
at rapid speed obviously and from radar

1368
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:42,190
as well and an investigation of that

1369
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:45,970
infant incident which was again he

1370
01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:49,210
classified clearly indicated that the

1371
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:51,550
computer codes in the missile warheads

1372
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:55,570
were altered an outcome that was greed

1373
01:19:03,150 --> 01:18:58,210
to be impossible to achieve but this

1374
01:19:06,980 --> 01:19:03,160
also happened in Russia as well but here

1375
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:06,990
again you are right you know the FOIA

1376
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:10,870
provided information like this that did

1377
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:13,330
indicate that there was a cover-up no

1378
01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:16,690
question about it the other document and

1379
01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:19,300
of which there are many was the one I

1380
01:19:25,950 --> 01:19:21,670
mentioned the earlier regarding of the

1381
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:25,960
pilot jafari from tehran iran back in

1382
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:28,330
nineteen seventy six when he had that

1383
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:33,040
close encounter with UFOs and I digested

1384
01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:37,330
that earlier where all the criteria were

1385
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:41,460
met to indicate that it was a valid

1386
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:46,210
incident Torah you know so so that that

1387
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:48,910
too was very compelling even the halt

1388
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:51,970
memo back in 1981 he was a lieutenant

1389
01:19:59,460 --> 01:19:56,110
colonel with the u.s. cameras and and

1390
01:20:04,290 --> 01:19:59,470
that memo which was rather lengthy in

1391
01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:04,300
nature described in great detail the

1392
01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:06,520
event that Rendlesham forest which you

1393
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:10,720
alluded to earlier where where UFOs was

1394
01:20:20,430 --> 01:20:16,810
seen over the US security Base Air Force

1395
01:20:24,710 --> 01:20:20,440
Base and and penance tin and burrows to

1396
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:24,720
servicemen approached supposedly a black

1397
01:20:33,690 --> 01:20:30,840
flying saucer in the in the woods and

1398
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:33,700
tennyson reported touching it and seeing

1399
01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:37,840
unusual symbols and and having received

1400
01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:42,550
psychic information from parently beings

1401
01:20:46,339 --> 01:20:45,880
in the craft of binary codes of zeros in

1402
01:20:49,219 --> 01:20:46,349
one

1403
01:20:53,089 --> 01:20:49,229
weeks he broke down and is now being a

1404
01:20:56,899 --> 01:20:53,099
subject of great controversy in terms of

1405
01:20:59,569 --> 01:20:56,909
what that information means but

1406
01:21:03,290 --> 01:20:59,579
interestingly when he saw the physical

1407
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:03,300
crap burrows who is with them so just a

1408
01:21:12,469 --> 01:21:06,289
glowing form which here again here again

1409
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:12,479
indicates that the discus UFO phenomenon

1410
01:21:18,679 --> 01:21:16,050
can't alter one's reality to people

1411
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:18,689
looking at the same thing report two

1412
01:21:23,839 --> 01:21:20,820
different things and that's not that

1413
01:21:25,609 --> 01:21:23,849
unusual with this phenomenon that and

1414
01:21:28,639 --> 01:21:25,619
that is why there's a potential

1415
01:21:31,639 --> 01:21:28,649
conscious element to this as you also

1416
01:21:33,979 --> 01:21:31,649
mentioned earlier and here again we

1417
01:21:38,419 --> 01:21:33,989
bring in that multiverse or extra

1418
01:21:41,839 --> 01:21:38,429
dimensional possible a issue and quantum

1419
01:21:44,739 --> 01:21:41,849
physics which which touches upon the

1420
01:21:48,469 --> 01:21:44,749
nature of reality and how our

1421
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:48,479
perceptions of may in fact be faulted in

1422
01:21:59,299 --> 01:21:55,070
some unknown way by this phenomenon so

1423
01:22:04,189 --> 01:21:59,309
one example also of a cover-up excretes

1424
01:22:08,169 --> 01:22:04,199
you mentioned that was provided in the

1425
01:22:12,679 --> 01:22:08,179
disclosure project was the testimony by

1426
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:12,689
group was division chief of of the FAA

1427
01:22:21,799 --> 01:22:17,689
John Callahan he provided information

1428
01:22:24,069 --> 01:22:21,809
about the well-known incident and I

1429
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:24,079
think was in 1986 regarding with

1430
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:28,199
Japanese airliner and he discussed that

1431
01:22:34,759 --> 01:22:32,070
close encounter that the airline had and

1432
01:22:37,219 --> 01:22:34,769
which was seen by the pilots as well as

1433
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:37,229
the passengers and he discussed that

1434
01:22:42,139 --> 01:22:39,780
with President Reagan's scientific study

1435
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:42,149
group along with members of the FBI and

1436
01:22:48,259 --> 01:22:45,780
CIA and after the discussion the CIA

1437
01:22:51,049 --> 01:22:48,269
agent told everybody according to

1438
01:22:54,259 --> 01:22:51,059
Callahan that they were never there and

1439
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:54,269
this never happened and admitted that

1440
01:22:59,900 --> 01:22:57,689
they were afraid of public panic well if

1441
01:23:04,460 --> 01:22:59,910
that's that's true that what that

1442
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:04,470
surprise me but you know even even in

1443
01:23:11,150 --> 01:23:08,660
Leslie King's book who was a journalist

1444
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:11,160
she wrote a book i think was back in

1445
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:15,570
2010 UFOs generals pilots and government

1446
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:20,610
officials she contends that she was told

1447
01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:23,670
that there is an ongoing UFO research

1448
01:23:29,420 --> 01:23:26,760
agenda that does exist under the

1449
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:29,430
unacknowledged special access program

1450
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:33,570
and these issues in a sense serve as a

1451
01:23:39,980 --> 01:23:36,210
foundation for those involved in that

1452
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:39,990
UFO XO political movement because

1453
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:44,090
according to that special taxes program

1454
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:47,910
she was told that there's a number of

1455
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:50,930
reliable sources you told her about

1456
01:23:56,540 --> 01:23:53,510
conversations with high-level military

1457
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,550
people who say they are aware of a

1458
01:24:01,940 --> 01:23:59,040
deeply hidden program for you up from

1459
01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:01,950
research now make Pope also said that

1460
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:07,190
about about the Russian a Russian of

1461
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:10,710
military group that's also studying this

1462
01:24:18,170 --> 01:24:14,510
phenomenon but she was also told by

1463
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:18,180
Amanda will Miller of the u.s. Navy who

1464
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:22,770
was retired that according to an email

1465
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:25,260
she received from him and she had

1466
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:27,360
provided this information in the book

1467
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:30,330
that Miller said that there is a control

1468
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:33,360
group that cannot allow any information

1469
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:36,690
on the closely held UFO research you

1470
01:24:44,140 --> 01:24:40,320
accessed by anyone outside of those who

1471
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:44,150
are cleared by do you assess Lewis now

1472
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:47,360
you're dead if if that is accurate

1473
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:50,760
information on that that's quite

1474
01:24:57,170 --> 01:24:53,850
revealing but it's interesting however

1475
01:25:00,850 --> 01:24:57,180
that but those who may be in the know

1476
01:25:05,140 --> 01:25:00,860
how about some secret UFO research

1477
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:05,150
project that's that's currently ongoing

1478
01:25:13,879 --> 01:25:08,730
it's hard to understand why these people

1479
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:13,889
into no I can keep it secret for so long

1480
01:25:19,939 --> 01:25:16,530
although many people keep the disclosure

1481
01:25:23,509 --> 01:25:19,949
project and those who are on their

1482
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:23,519
deathbed have revealed information about

1483
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:29,780
this phenomenon in in ways that that

1484
01:25:37,459 --> 01:25:34,110
helped to provide somewhat irrefutable

1485
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:37,469
evidence that this phenomenon exists

1486
01:25:43,609 --> 01:25:40,169
which we know it does we know it does

1487
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:43,619
but but it's it's interesting to hear it

1488
01:25:49,969 --> 01:25:46,169
from those who are up close and personal

1489
01:25:52,549 --> 01:25:49,979
with the phenomenon itself that lends

1490
01:25:55,729 --> 01:25:52,559
additional credibility and related

1491
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,739
validity to the phenomenon not that it

1492
01:26:01,509 --> 01:25:57,840
does answer the primary questions

1493
01:26:04,729 --> 01:26:01,519
however why are they here if they are

1494
01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:04,739
under intelligent control and if they

1495
01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:07,409
are what's their objective what's your

1496
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:09,780
intention and here again some claim that

1497
01:26:15,049 --> 01:26:12,090
at the alien abduction phenomenon is

1498
01:26:17,959 --> 01:26:15,059
real provides them the opportunity to

1499
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:17,969
collect DNA since people contend that

1500
01:26:25,609 --> 01:26:21,209
they retrieve eggs and sperm from them

1501
01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:25,619
from those who are abducted again it's

1502
01:26:36,949 --> 01:26:28,649
alleged information often obtained to

1503
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:36,959
regression hypnosis so well I tell you

1504
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:39,090
you know before we get to the end of the

1505
01:26:42,290 --> 01:26:40,739
show which we're just almost there I

1506
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:42,300
want to make sure that everyone knows

1507
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:45,689
how to get your book dr. Davis I'm sure

1508
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:47,880
you can get it on Amazon and you can

1509
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:50,639
also get it on dr. Davis's website the

1510
01:26:58,669 --> 01:26:55,110
UFO phenomenon dot-com boy I tell you

1511
01:27:01,370 --> 01:26:58,679
the time has flown this evening yes and

1512
01:27:03,949 --> 01:27:01,380
I enjoyed this conversation even though

1513
01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:03,959
I'm a half asleep okay well you don't

1514
01:27:08,959 --> 01:27:07,289
sound like it you sound fabulous also to

1515
01:27:12,409 --> 01:27:08,969
the listeners if you'd like to hear more

1516
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:12,419
of dr. Davis check out the inception

1517
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:15,209
radio archives in his recent interview

1518
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:17,010
with dr. Rita Louise on Just Energy

1519
01:27:22,580 --> 01:27:20,369
radio I listen to it today and it was

1520
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:22,590
excellent so I really enjoyed it so have

1521
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:26,490
a listen to dr. Rita Louise and

1522
01:27:33,650 --> 01:27:30,030
Robert Davis on Just Energy radio so

1523
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:33,660
we've got about a minute left and is

1524
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:36,750
this is the next book going to be the

1525
01:27:48,140 --> 01:27:38,910
findings of free or is there going to be

1526
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:48,150
a UFO phenomenon part dude I'm not

1527
01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:50,850
entirely sure I would like to contribute

1528
01:27:59,860 --> 01:27:56,060
as a co-author 22 results of the surveys

1529
01:28:02,660 --> 01:27:59,870
undertaken by the organization free

1530
01:28:05,140 --> 01:28:02,670
however you know the issue of life after

1531
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:05,150
death intrigued me as it does everybody

1532
01:28:12,590 --> 01:28:10,050
and so I actually thought about doing

1533
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:12,600
some additional research into that area

1534
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:15,210
in writing possibly a book about that

1535
01:28:21,620 --> 01:28:17,010
although certainly we do not have any

1536
01:28:24,230 --> 01:28:21,630
fulfilling a chance oh boy I'm I'm all

1537
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:24,240
over that when you if you decide to do

1538
01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:25,800
that when I would love to have you back

1539
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,270
on the talk about it right now the

1540
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,760
music's rolling I want to thank you dr.

1541
01:28:35,180 --> 01:28:32,880
Davis for joining us everyone get the

1542
01:28:37,850 --> 01:28:35,190
book the UFO phenomenon should i believe

1543
01:29:02,740 --> 01:28:37,860
by dr. robert davis thanks so much and